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>>> IN HIS 2020 STATE OF
THE UNION ADDRESS PRESIDENT DONALD TUMP
INVOKED THE AMERICAN FROTTIER AS HE CLOSED. >>> THE AMERICAN NATION
WAS CARVED AWAY FROM THE VAST FRRONTIER BY THOUGHEST.
The STRONGEST, FIERCEST, & MOST DETERMINED MEN AND
WOMEN EVER TO GO ON THE FACE of THE EARTH. OUR
ANCIENTS TAMED THE UNKNOWN – BRAVED THE UNKNOWN
WILDERNESS, SETTLED IN THE WILD WEST. LIFTED MILLIONS
VANQUISHEDTYRANNY: VANQUISHED TYRANNY, POVERTY, DISEASE and HUNGER
FASCISM, USHERED A NEW HEIGHTS FOR THE WORLD
SCIENCE AND MEDICINE, LAYED DOWN THE RAILROADS. DUG
RAISED THE SKYSCRAPERS, OUT THE CANALS. AND
LADIES and GENTLEMEN: OUR ANCESTORS BUILT OUR MOST
EXCEPTIONAL REPUBLIC WILL EXIST IN ALL HUMAN HUMANITY
HISTORY, AND WE ARE MAKING ITS GREATER THAN EVER
BEFORE. >>> BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
A BOUNDLESS FRONTIER BOTTS UP AGAINST A BRIDGE WALL?
CAN YOU HAVE A RHETORICAL CUISINE AND EAT IT?
TOO? THIS TIME WITH THE WAW BEING SO BIG
PIECE OF THE PRESIDENT'S RE-ELECTION PUSH, WE'LL
DIG INTO THE PAST AND PRESENT AS WELL AS THE POSSIBLE FUTURE.
AMERICA'S FRONTIER MYTH.

PROGRESS, GROWTH,
STRENGTH. COURAGE. CONTAINMENT. AND PROTECTION
OF THE WHITE RACE, THE FRONTIER GOES IN
ALL OF THAT, AS YOU'LL HEAR FROM OUR GUEST,
GREG GRANDIN, THE END of, HISTORIAN AND AUTHOR GREG GRANDIN
THE MYTH, THIS WEEK ABOUT THE LAURA FLLANDERS SHOW, THE
SHOW WHERE THE PEOPLE WHO SAY IT CAN'T BE DONE TAKE
A BACKSEAT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO IT. WELCOME. ♪ [THEME MUSIC] ♪ ♪ [THEME MUSIC] ♪ >>> IN DONALD TRUMP'S 2020 STATE OF THE UNION, THE
WORD FRONTIER appeared at LEAST QUARTER TIMES. BUT THE
AMERICAN FRONTIER ISN'T SO MUCH A PLACE, WRITES
TODAY'S GUEST, AS A STATE OF MIND, A NATIONAL MYTH,
A DISCIPLINING MECHANISM. What IS SIGNIFICANT?
ABOUT TRUMP'S WALL OBSESSION AND ALL HIS
FRONTIER TALL? IN HIS NEW BOOK, THE END OF THE MYTH,
FROM THE FRONTIER TO BORDER WALL IN MIND OF
AMERICA, GREG GRANDIN CHARNOILES THE EVOLUTION
CIVIL OF THE AMERICAN FRONTIER, EXPANSION
WAR, COLONIAL ABROAD ADVENTURES, AND THE PRACTICE
OF CAPITALISM AT HOME.

IT'S A TIMELY BOOK,
ALREADY MAKING WAVES. CLICK HERE TO CONTACT IT, YALE
GREG GRANDIN, HISTORIAN. WELCOME BACK THE
PROGRAM. PROGRAM. >>> IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE,
LAURA. >>> SO I'M SURE YOU TUNED
INTO THE STATE OFFICE OF THE UNION THIS FEBRUARY. WERE
ARE YOU STUNNED? SHOCKED? ISN’T THIS THE RUN OF A MILL? DOES IT?
TRUMP DID IT DIFFERENTLY >>> WELL, HE DOES DO IT
DIFFERENTLY. DIFFERENTLY.
THIS HE, AS A CANDIDATE BACK FOUR YEARS AVAILABLE
ACTUALLY SAID HE DIDN'T BELIEVE IN AMERICAN
EXCEPTIONALISM. HE DISTANCED HIMSELF.
HIMSELF PRESENTED MORE AS A TRANSACTIONAL
NATIONALIST. >>> YEAH. SAY IT AT THE
BEGINNING OF THE BOOK, THAT HE WAS A BREAK WITH
TRADITION. >>> YEAH. HE OPENLY SAYS
THAT I DON'T BELIEVE IN AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM.
So, it IS interesting. WHAT'S ALSO INTERESTING, I
THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ONE CAN SAY
SUCH A SPEECH.

WE OFTEN DON'T THINK OF TRUMP
WHEN WE THINK AROUND THE FRONTIER. THE WEST. He
SPEAKS IN THAT THICKQUEENS ACCENT, RIGHT? AND
HE'S, AND HE'S ALL BOUND UP IN THE HISTORY OF NEW
YORK. BUT HIS GRANDFATHER HELD TWO GENERATIONS BACK.
ESCAPE SICKLY GERMANY TO MAKE HIS WAY TO THE
UNITED STATES. AND THEN, AND THEN ABROAD TO THE
WEST. HE GOTE SEATTLE, WHERE HIS MERCHANT SUSPECT.
HE PASSED THE GOLD RUSH UP TO THE YUKON

SO, HE KIND OF LIVED THE THE FRONTIER THESIS / THE
FRONTIER MYTH. SOURCES SAY HE RAN BROTHELS
IN THE YUKON AND CAME ACK, AND HIM USED THAT
MONEY TO BUY REAL ESTATE IN QEENS. THAT'S THE
ORIGINS OF The TRUMP FAMILY. SO IT'S NOT THAT
UNLIKELY, HE WOULD INVOKE THE FRONTIER
THESIS, BUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY HEARING THERE IS A
KIND OF ELEGY WHITE SUPREMEMACY, I THINK. IT
CAME AT THE END AND IT WAS SUPPOSED to CAP SOME
SPEECH OF GREAT ENORMITY OF IMPORT BUT IT SOUNDED
EARLIER LIKE A REQUIEM, IT SOUNDED MUCH MORE LIKE A
EULOGY. HIS HEART ISN'T IN IT, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE
POINT.

>>> WELL, LET'S GET TO
THIS IS BECAUSE YOU SAY THAT AT THE END YOUR BOOK.
IS REALLY NOT ABOUT BUILDING THE WALL, IT'S
HOW TO TALK ABOUT BUILDING A WALL. BUT
BEFORE WE GET THERE, LET'S GO BACKWARDS AND
TELL A LITTLE BETTER ABOUT THE FUNCTION THAT THE MYTH HAS
PLAYED OVER HISTORY. >>> THE IDEA OF A FRONTIER
IN THIS BOOK, AND IN GENERAL, IS REALLY JUST
INDEXES EXPANSION. NO OTHER COUNTRY WORLDWIDE
HISTORY HAS EVER CLAIMED PRIVACY TO EXPAND AS
THE UNITED STATES HAS GROWN. It WAS THE IDEA
OF EXPANSION WAS NOT JUST IN THE CONCEPTION, BUT PRESENT.
OF THE AMERICAN RVOLUTION AND THE WRITING THE
CONSTITUTION, BUT DECADES BEFORE THIS
NOTE OF MOVING WEST IS THE SOURCE NATURAL
RIGHTS. AND THAT'S EMBEDDED IN THE
CONSTITUTION, THE FOUNDERS THE REPUBLIC, and I CAN
GIVE EXAMPLES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TIME.
MADISON AND FRANKLIN and JEFFERSON ALL
GUARANTEE: THE ABILITY to MOVE WEST
REPUBLICAN VIRTUE.

IT BROKE UP FACTIONS IT
DILUTED WARFARE, IT KEPT THE LABOR COSTS HIGH. ALL
EXPANSION OF SOME THINGS WAS ESSENTIAL. AND THE
MATCHED THE MYTH – REALITY OF EXPANSION
THE THEORY. THE U.S. DID EXPAND. >>> FROM THE SORT OF
FLEEING BRITISH RULE VIEW. IT WAS A LAND OF
FREEDOM. IT WAS A WAY TO EVADE. IT
IT WAS POSSIBLE TO MAKE SOMETHING ELSE. IT
DID HAVE A APPEAL TO ALL TYPES OF PEOPLE. >>> YEAH. >>> IT WASN'T JUST A TOOL
OF WHITE SUPREMACY. >>> WELL IT WAS THAT. THE
INSTRUMENTALISM ISN'T SO IMPORTANT IN THE SENSE
DON’T MISS THE IDEA THAT IT WAS A TOOL.
FREEDOM WAS GRANTED BY THE RIGHT TO EXPANSION
MOVING WEST. DIFFERENT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE.
ITERATIONS OF IT, AND WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO INTO
THE 18TH, THE 19TH, AND THE 20TH CENTURIES.
BUT, THE FACT IS THAT THE U.S.

DID YOU MOVE
WEST, AND THAT WAS BOUNDED IN CREATING WHAT YOU ARE
NOW CALL WHITE SUPREMACY, SETTLER COLONIALISM. >>> HOW SO? >>> HOW SO?
FUNCTION? >>> WELL, THERE WERE
NATIVE AMERICANS. I MEAN, THIS WAS A POSSESSED LAND
BY PEOPLES AND THOSE PEOPLE HAD BE REMOVED
FROM THE LAND. >>> AND SO TO DO THAT
REMOVAL, IT WAS YOUR RIGHT TO ARGUE. WE HAD PREEMINENCE.
WHITE PEOPLE. WE HAD A REGRET. WE HAD AN ACTUAL
RIGHT. >>> YEAH. IT IS CERTAINLY
TRANSFORMED INTERNATIONAL LOCAL DOCTRINE, THE RICH
DESCRIPTION AND THE RIGHT TO CONQUEST AND
LOCKEAN NOTIONS OF PROPERTY – THAT ONLY PEOPLE
CAN YOU ADD LABOR TO YOUR WORK?
PROPERTY OF THE REGARD TO POSSESSION AND THEREFORE
NATIVE AMERICANS. ALL TYPES OF LEGAL ACTIVITIES ARE AVAILABLE
JUSTIFICATIONS OF DISPOSSESSION BUT THE
FACT OF THE MATTER THAT WAS ACTUAL DISPOSSESSION- >>> LEGAL, BUT ALSO CULTURAL.
IT'S CREATING A CULTURAL SENSE OF WHAT IT IS
TO BE AN AMERICAN. >>> YEAH. >>> WHICH IS TO BE A WHITE
PERSON. >>> FREEDOM WAS DEFINED AS
FREEDOM FROM RESTRAINT AND THE DEFINITION
FREEDOM WAS PREDICATED UPON THE SUBJUGATION of PEOPLE
OF COLOR STEALING NATIVE AMERICAN LAND, AND
SUBJUGGATION AFRICAN AMERICAN LABOR FOR CREATE
WEALTH, THIS TRUMP STALKED ABOUT ABOUT IN THE CLOSING
REMARKS.

>>> SO YOU COME TO THAT
QUESTION ON WEALTH. AND YOU TALK ALL ABOUT HOW IT WORKS
FUNCTION OF FRONTIER WAS ALSO TO BENEFIT SAFETY
For example, VALVE, TO ENSURE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON
TO AVOID THE NEED TO ADDRESS INEQUALITY. JUST SEND
PEOPLE SOMEWHERE. >>> YEAH. BRITISH
CONSERVATIVES WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE UNION STATES AND
THEY WOULD SAY, THE REASON WHY WE CAN'T GIVE
HERE IS GREAT BRITAIN’S UNIVIL SUFFRAGE.
WE DON'T HAVE A FRONTIER. THE UNITED STATES CAN
GRANT UNVERSAL SUFFRAGE TO PROPERTY LISTS WHITE
ILLITERATE MEN BECAUSE THEY WON'T STAY WHERE THEY
They ARE AND ORGANIZE a Labor Party. THEY HAVE A
FRONTIER, SO IT'LL DISPERSE. YOU CAN NOW DETERMINE IF THAT
PEOPLE SAY IT HAPPENED IN ACTUALITY
IT HAPPENED. It was a crucial event in the history of mankind.
CENTRAL TO THE CONCEPTION of WHAT
MADE AMERICA DEMOCRATIC. AND THAT MOVING WEST IS ENTAILED
THE FRONTIER WAS INACT A BORDER, AND IT ENTAILED
VIOLENCE IS A VERY LARGE ACT.

NONE TRAIL OF
TEARS, BUT HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS. >>> AND THERE WERE
DEBATES. SPEAK ABOUT SOME DEBATES IN THOSE
EARLY YEARS, EXACTLY THE SAME QUESTION. >>> WELL, THERE WERE
DEBATES. SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT THE
UNITED STATES SHOULD STAND UP AND CREATE A REPUBLIC
OR A COMMONWEALTH THAT HAD ACTUAL POINTIVE
CONTENT, I.E. CONTENT, I.E.
DEMOCRACY vs. a SOCIAL REPUBLIC.
CONSTANTLY FEEING FORWARD. But it WAS ALWAYS
TOO MUCH. TOO EASY. THE FRONTIER WAS JUST TOO
EASY TO DEFLECT CONFLICTS CLASSES EACH & EVERY
TURNING POINT, WHERE THE UNION STATES MIGHT HAVE
I'M TALKING GREAT ABSTRACTIONS, BUT MIGHT'VE
TURNED AND SAID, OKAY, LET'S CONFRONT OURSELVES.
LET'S FACE OURSELVES. IT WAS EASY TO TURN
AND FLEE FORWARD ACROSS THE FRONTIER. >>> I THINK A LOT OF US IN
OUR SCHOOL REMEMBERED THE DEBATES REGARDING THE
CONSTITUTION & THE SIZE CONGRESSIONAL
DISTRICTS.

JEFFERSONIAN DEMOCRACY YOU HAVE
BEING ABOUT FARMERS and PEOPLE WHO KNOWEACH
OTHER, FELLOW FEELING YOU DON'T WANT TO GET TOO BIG
BECAUSE YOU CAN LOSE THAT. HOW DID THAT JIVE
INCLUDING THE EXPANSION >>> YEAH. THERE WAS SOME
DEBATES, BUT EVERYBODY CONSENTS TO EXPANSION.
JEFFERSON WANTED A EMPIRE OF LIBERTY. HE BELIEVED
HIS REPUBLIC OF AGRARIAN FARMERS NECESSITATED
EXPANSION. >>> COULD BE VERY BIG. >>> HE PRESIDED OVER THE
LOUISIANA PURCHASE MADISON. THE GENIUS OF
AMERICAN RESPUBLICANISM OR U.S. RECUPLICANISM IS THAT
THEY REVOLUTIONIZED REPUBLICAN THEORY, WHERE
MONTESQUIEU IN FRANCE – THIS IS REALLY GETTING OFF THE BILL
LITTLE BIT INTO HEAVEN, THOUGHT YOU COULD
A REPUBLIC IS ONLY AVAILABLE IN A SMALL PLACE.
The more personal the republic, the greater its influence
WOULD CORRODE REPUBLICAN VIRTUE.

MADISON, IN
FEDERALIST 10, FLIPS THAT ON ITS HEAD, SAYS, N.
YOU ARE THE ONLY WAY TO MAINTAIN REPUBLICAN VIRTUE.
EXTEND THE SPHERE. A SPHERE EXTENDED.
FACTIONALISM OR WHATEVER YOU CALL FACTUALLY DILUTE IS NOT WHAT IT IS.
POPULISM MIGHT BE CALLED. AND THE OTHER THING THAT CAN BE DONE.
MADISON DID IS MADISON DEFINED PERSONAL ABBITION, NOT AS
A CORRODER OR CORRUPTER of VIRTUE,
BUT AS VIRTUE ITSELF. THE PURSUIT of INDIVIDUAL
INTERESTS IS THE SOURCE FOR REPUBLICAN FREEDOM.

>>> OKAY. BEFORE WE
MOVE TO PRESENT, BECAUSE IT IS NOT AVAILABLE.
NAILING THIS AND DIGGING INSTO THIS IS NOT AN OPTION, BUT I THINK
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WHAT YOU'RE LEADING TO, AND
THAT'S THE PART OF THE BOOK WHERE YOU SAY, OUR
FRONTIER MYTH CAN ALSO BE PUT IN PLACE A ORDER OF
INDIVIDUAL ENTERPRISE, BINDING WITH NATURE
COMING UP OVER AGREEMENTS AND MAYBE ADDING SOME
GOVERNMENT. >>> YEAH. >>> A SENSE OF PRIORITY,
THIS IS WITH US, EVEN NOW. >>> YEAH, SO LET ME JUST
SAY THIS, WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE FRONTIER THSIS
OR THE FRONTIER MYTH, WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT
FREDERICK JACKSON, TURNER 1893. HE WAS AN
HISTORIAN CHICAGO.

HE SENT A PAPER TO THE
WORLD'S FAIR, THE FAMOUS ONE THAT THE MURDERER WAS
STALKING AND STABBING PEOPLE – THE ONE THAT ERIC
LAWSON TELLS ABOUT. BUT HE'S THE ONE WHO TURNED
THE EXPANSION WAS INTEGRATED INTO AN IDEOLOGY. Prior to that,
A CONCEPTION OR UNDERSTANDING WAS MADE
EXPANSION ENTAILED RACISM AND ENTAILED BRUTALITY.
AND ENTAILED DEPOSITION. WHAT TURNER
DID HE DO ALL OF THAT AND DERACINATED
THE FRONTIER IS THE IDEA. >>> TOOK THE RACE PART OUT
OF IT. >>> HE TOOK THE RACE PART.
HE CELEBRATED Individualism, HE ARGUED
THE EXPANSION WAS FORWARD, NOT THRU
BRUTAL WORRIES, AS IF THIS WAS THE LATEST BATTLE IN A
SAXON STRUGGLE TO GET FREEDOM. BUT,
AS A RESULT FROM TECHNOLOGY and COMMERCE
THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE U.S. IN THE
1890S STAND AT THE VERGE of CATAPULTING ITSSELF INTO
THE WORLD, AND IT COULDN'T ADMINISTER THE WORLD AS IF
THE WORLD WAS THE LOUISIANA POSTCARD, WRITTEN
LARGE AS IF IT WERE INDIAN REMOVAL, WRIT LARGE. SO,
THIS IS HOW FRONTIER THESIS Becomes A UNIVERSAL
DERACINATED THESIS. JUST TO QUICKLY COME
BACK TO THE TRUMP SPEECH, WHAT TRUMP IS DOING IS HE'S
RE-WHITENING FRONTIER THESIS.

THAT'S WHY IT'S
IMPORTANT. >>> SO, EXPLAIN THAT
AGAIN. >>> AGAIN, TURNER, I'M
SURE- >>> YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT
THE BORDERFICATION AMERICAN POLITICS, AND WHAT I THINK
THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING. >>> YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I'M
STAYING WITH IT. So, THE U.S. IS MOVING ENERGY, SO THE THE
MEXICAN-AMERICAN BORDER IMPORTANT. THAT'S WHEN THE U.S.
MAKES IT TO The PACIFIC. IT'S IN THE 1840S, THAT'S
WHERE IT FINALLY GETS AN OUTERN BORDER. THAT
BORDER, MORE FIXED OR LESS REMAINS BUT THE
FRONTIER KEEPS GROWING, AND THE IDEAS OF THE FRONTIER
BECOMES DELIGHTED FROM THE FRONTIER’S IDEA, FROM
THE BORDER. THE WORD IS ONLY AVAILABLE IN U.S. ENGLISH
FRONTIER HAVE THIS TYPE OF EXISTENTIAL QUALITY, AND
COGNATES AND OTHER LANGUAGES

IN SPANISH
FRONTERA MEANS BOUNDARY, BORDER, NATIONAL
MILITARY LINE, DEFENSIVE LINE. IT'S ONLY IN THE
UNITED STATES: THE FRONTIER HAS AN IDEA OF
A CREATION MYTH, WHICH INDIVIDUALISM ISN’T NURTURED.
WHERE PROPERTY CAN BE CREATED, WHERE WHERE VALUE CAN BE CREATED
THROUGH CREATEIVITY, HARD WORK, AND THROUGH CREATIVITY
PEOPLE WORKING THE LAKE. AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT
TURNER SAYS HE WAS PROGRESSIVE. HE SAW THE
UNITED STATES ARE BECOMING LESS LIBERAL AS IT MOVES
OUT TO THE WORLD. >>> ALL RIGHT. But, WAS.
Is THAT ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENS AT THIS MOMENT? THE REASON WE'RE
TELLING THIS HISTORY STORY IS BECAUSE IT'S RELEVANT
TO RIGHT NOW. WHAT WAS REALLY HAPPENING AT THAT TIME?
MOMENT WAS THIS EXPANSION IN WEALTH IN A
FEW HANDS. YOU HAD THE ROBBER BARRONS.
DEMILITARIZATION AFTER THE CIVIL WAR. YOU COULD HAVE
BEEN USEING ALL THE RESOURCES TO DO SOMETHING
LIKE RECONSTRUCTION. SHARE WEALTH. BRINGING AB.
SOCIETY TOGETHER. SOCIETY TOGETHER.
WAR, MEXICO, AND OTHERS, BECOME EMBROILED IN
THIS CONFLICT IS ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE
STATE? WHAT IS THE ROLE OF STATE, OF THE?
GOVERNMENT? AND THAT'S A CONFLICT THAT PLAYS OUT IN
THE 1930S.

>>> YEAH. THERE'S ENORMOUS- >>> IT FEELS TERRIBLY
FAMILIAR TO THIS MOMENT RIGHT NOW. >>> YEAH, EXACTLY. IT'S A
PLUTOCRACY. THERE'S ENORMOUS ECONOMIC
CONCENTRATION. >>> WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A
FREEDOM DIVIDEND, BUT ONLY ANDREW YANG TALKS
ALL ABOUT IT. >>> RIGHT. THERE'S CLASS
CONFLICT. CONFLICT.
SPOKE AT, THE WORLD'S FAIR WAS ONE LARGE LABOR
ACTION. GENERAL STRIKES WERE RECENTLY HEARD. RAILROAD WORKERS
HAD LITERALLY DROP THE ROAD TO GO NORTH. THEY
DO NOT TURN UP THE FRONTIER.
SPEAKING. HOW DO YOU CONNECT THIS GREAT?
WEALTH? AND THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF THE FRONTIER
THESIS.

>>> BUT DONALD TRUMP, OUR
PRESIDENT SAYS THAT HE WANTS TO LET THE BORDERS GO. >>> YEAH. >>> SO ISN'T THAT KIND OF A
LABOR ACTION FRIENDLY THING >>> YEAH. TRUMP COULD TELL A STORY
ALL HE WANTS ABOUT THE FRONTIER. FACT OF THE
MATTER IS, THE BOOK ARGUES THAT WE'RE IN A
QUALITATIVELY A NEW TIME. >>> BUT HE SAYS THIS IS
FOR LABOR RIGHTS. THIS IS TO PROTECT THE STANDARD
LIVING. THIS IS TO PROTECT AMERICAN WAY. >>> YEAH. >>> AND IT WORKS. >>> AND IT WORKS.
Vote FOR THE LAST TIME. >>> YEAH. WELL, THE WAY
THIS NATIONAL CHAUVINISM and THAT NATIONAL
SOCIALISM CAN USE LANGUAGE TO SPEAK IN AND INTO THE LANGUAGE.
THE NAME OF THE WORKER OR THE WORKING CATEGORY. THE
THE FRONTIER THESIS IS THE KEY THING
MARGINALIZED EXTREMISM ON BOTH SIDES
POLITICAL SPECTRUM. CONSTANT MOVING OUT
FORWARD ALLOWED IN THE U.S.

TO CONSTANTLY DEFER IT'S
EXTREMISM, IT'S FRINGE. ALL TRAUMA
The LAST WAR GENERATED CAN JUST BE RULED
OVER INTO NEXT WORLD WAR. THAT'S FINISHED. WE FINISH.
LONGER DO WE HAVE THIS OPTION. >>> WE HAVE THE WAR,
WE HAVE THE TRAUMA. >>> YEAH, BUT WE DON'T
GET THE MISSIONARY MESSIANIC JAUSTIFICATION
THAT COULD CHANNEL IDEOLOGICALLY PASSIONS
AND THE FURIOUS OUTWARD. AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE SEEN,
SINCE 2006, 2005 THE FRENZIES, THE FURIES FLYING AROUND
THE HOMELAND. >>> SO PEOPLE HAVE KIND OF
HAD IT WITH WARS AT THE BEHIND DEMOCRACY AROUND THE
WORLD? CLINTONIAN SPECIAL RULE
FOR THE U.S. IN THE WORLD. >>> WHETHER THEY HAD IT
… I THINK THEY HAD IT. I THINK PEOPLE EXHAUSTED.
BY AN ENDLESS GUARANTEE. I THINK SO. THAT'S TRUE. >>> SO IN A WAY, FINALLY
WE'RE AT AN END POINT OF THE SAFETY VALVES? >>> YES. I THINK THAT,
THAT'S THE STRUCTURAL ARGUMENT OF THE BOOK, TO
EXPLAIN THE MOMENT CURRENT OF POLARIZATION AND
EXTREMISM AND THE RISE AN UNHINGED Nationalist
RIGHT, THAT HAS TRANSFORMED CRUELTY TO A POINT OFF
PRIDE.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT ITS FINAL LINE.
FRONTIER IN THREE VERY SEPARATE WAYS. One IS, WAR
IS WAR, AND WE'RE AT WAR AND WE'RE ALWAYS AT WAR,
BUT IT'S NO LONGER A MISSIONARY, IT NO LONGER
MISSIONARY TERMS CAN JUSTIFY WOMEN. TWO IS
THE COLLAPSE ECONOMIC GRROWTH MODEL.
2008, 2007. >>> THE ECONOMY CAN'T JUST
EXPAND. >>> YEAH. AND THE
DIEING OF INEQUALITY. NO MORE CAUSE
YOU MAKE THE ARGUMENT, THAT GROWTH WILL LIFT EVERYONE
BOATS BECAUSE THERE IS NO GREEN, JUST LIFE.
CONCENTRATED WEALTH.

THIRD, MORE THAN EVERYTHING
ELSE IS THE CLIMATE CRISIS. >>> THE CAP. >>> YEAH. POLITICIANS CA
NO LONGER POINT BEYOND FRONTIER AND SAY THERE
THAT'S WHERE OUR PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED. >>> BUT, IN THE STATE OF
THE UNION, TRUMP'S SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GO TO MARS. >>> YEAH. >>> YEAH.
Whatever he wants. >>> IS THAT THE NEW
FRONTIER? >>> BUT IF THERE'S NO
MATERIAL BACKING… OTHER PRESIDENTS, WHEN THEY
INVOKE THAT THE FRONTIER HAD A ABILITY TO ACTUALLY
EXPAND. REAGAN FOR INSTANCE SO WHEN REAGAN.
MALAISE OF 70S RETURNED, AND REAMPED COLD WAR.
RESTARTED THE FRONTIER, AND RECLARED THE
FRONTIER, HIM WAS ABLE to BASICALLY PRIVATIZE THE
NEW DEAL and JUMPSTART GHROWTH. AND HE WAS IN POSITION TO.
PUSH INTO CENTRAL AMERICA, PUSH INTO THIRD
WORLD.

SO, THERE WAS A MATERIAL TEXT.
RE-IDEOLOGIZATION. >>> SO, YOU'RE SAYING
THERE ISN'T A MATERIAL CONTEXT FOR THE BOLDLY
GOES, STAR WARS REFERENCE- >>> NO. >>> … STAR TREK, MAYBE,
SPACE PROGRAM TRUUMP IS PUSHING. >>> THIS IS MY LITTLE
BUGABOO IS A PLACE MANY PEOPLE LIKE to HAVE FUN WITH
TRUMP FOR THE SPACE PROGRAM, BUT THE PENTAGON'S BEEN
PUSHING FOR IT- >>> OH, YEAH. >>> IT'S ONLY … >>> BUT DOES IT FUNCTION,
I GUESS MY POINT AS A SORT of SAFETY VALVE. NOT
REALLY. YOU CAN'T SEND ENOUGH PEOPLE THERE. >>> YEAH. I WOULD SAY THAT
IF YOU LISTEN TO THE RHETORIC, WHAT HE'S
SPEAKING ABOUT SPACE AS A GIGANT WALL. AS A BORDER
NON AS A FRONTIER. HE MIGHT USE THIS WORD
FRONTIER, BUT HE TALKS ABOUT THE MILITARIZATION
SPACE. BASICALLY SPACE AS IT IS.
WAS A GIANTWALL. >>> THE TAGLINE FOR OUR
SHOW: PEOPLE DOING THINGS OTHER PEOPLE CAN’T
THINK MIGHT BENEFIT FROM ARE IMPOSSIBLE.

WE TRY LIFT
PLAY LIKE POSITIVE MODELS. SEE SOME IN YOUR
BOOK OF THINKING DIFFERENTLY ABOUT FRONTIERS.
One could be the BOLIVARIAN REPUBLIC IDEA. THIS
CENTRAL AMERICAN, CENTRAL AMERICAN NOTE. ANOTHER
PERHAPS, WE'VE HAD ROXANNE DUNBAR ORTIZ ON THIS
PROGRAM, THE AUTOR OF THE WONDERFUL INIGENOUS
HISTORY OF UNITED STATES. PRE-HISTORY TO THE
AMERICAN COLONIAL STORY WAS A SORT FEDERATION
NATIVE AMERICANS, WHO TRADE AND RELATED AND
CONNECTED LONG BEFORE COLONIAL TSETTLERS DID.
NAME ONE. ISN’T THERE A MODEL OF THINKING OUT THERE?
ABOUT MAKE A REAL RELATIONSHIP OVER WORKING AROUND
BORDERS IN CURRENT LIVES? >>> I THINK THERE'S A LOT
OF MODELS, BUT THERE'S BASICALLY TWO RESPONSES
TO THE IDEA THAT THE FRONTIER IS, TO THE
REALIZATION THAT IT CAN'T GO ON THE WAY IT'S BEEN
Keep going.

THE FRONTIER ARE CLOSED. One is THE
BARBARISM and NATIONALISM, AND THE NATURALIZATION OF
BORDER BRUTALISM THAT WE'VE SEEN WITH TRUMP.
THE MILITARIZATION OF THE BORDER, WHICH LONG
PREDATES TRUMP BUT TURN IT INTO A
A SPECTACLE IN THE WHICH HE ORGANIZES HIS BASE. AND
HE TELLS THEM THAT YEAH, IT IS PERFECT FOR US TO GO ON.
ALL THAT IS REQUIRED IS TO BUILD A WALL. THEN, WE CAN BURN.
GAS, DO WHAT YOU WANT. ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS KEEP THEM.
OUT. SOME PEOPLE PRINT THAT AS DEMYSTIFICATION
OF AMERICAN IDEOLOGY. I THINK IT'S JUST A
RE-MYSTIFICATION IF YOU CAN BUILD A WALL
You can go as high as you like, but things cannot continue to be the same.
Let them be. The other response is A
MORE HUMANE REPONSE. IT'S AN IDEA THAT WE'RE ALL IN
IT TOGETHER AND WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT … ONE OF
THE FRONTIER’S THINGS AND THE MYTH OF
EXPANSION, AND WHAT EXPANSION REALLY IS
THE U.S.’S FIRST THING TO DO IS CLAIM A CONTACT, A LIBERAL CONTACT
AS THE HIGHEST STANDARD IN UNIVERSALISM. AND IT'S
ALLOWED THE U.S.

TO DEFER QUESTIONS TO ANOTHER
CONFRONTED COUNTRIES IN THE PAST. BASICALLY, A
CHOICE BETWEEN SOCIALISM AND BARBARISM ON A ONE HAND
ON THE OTHER. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY COINCIDENCE
ALL OF IT WAS SUDDEN IN THE LAST NATIONAL ELECTION.
WHAT WAS ON THE TABLE? BARBARISM IN THE FORMAT OF
TRUMP AND A SOCIIALIST CHALLENGE TO THE
DEMOCRATIC TEAM, DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST
CHALLENGE. AND WE'RE BACK- >>> WITH THAT EXACT IDEA. >>> WE'RE CONFRONTING THAT CHOICE AGAIN. THIS IS THE WAY IT IS
UNIQUE TO THE UNITED STATES. SO THERE'S A LOT
A FEW BOOKS TRYING to EXPLAIN POLARIZATION.
THEM EXPLAIN THIS IN TERMS END OF EXPANSION.
THE FACT THAT- >>> THAT'S WHERE YOUR BOOK
IS SUCH A HELP, AND I'M SO GLAD WE'RE TALKING
ALL ABOUT IT.

TO BE FAIR, WE'VE GIVEN
TRUMP AND THE TRUMPERS USE TIME FOR THIS PROGRAM
So far. I also believe it is true.
PROGRESSIVES LIBERALS, PEOPLE ON OUR LEFT SIDE
THE SPECTRUM ALSO TENTED TO FLEE TO
FRIENDLIER CLIMBS HAVE ABSOLVED ADDRESSING
THE TRAUMAS, THE DRAMAS ARE WHERE THEY ARE BY MOVING
TO LIBERAL CAPITALS, BY MOVING TO METROPOLISES.
AND I'M THINKING AS WE TALK, ABOUT A FANTASTIC
PROJECT IN OREGON & IDAHO, THE RURAL
ORGANIZING PROJECT WHICH IS HELD BY LGBT, MOSTLY
WOMEN WHO SAY, “I WANT TO STAY WHERE i LIVE.” I WANT
To STAY WHERE HE WAS BORN, AND TO WORK WITH PEOPLE HERE.
AND THEY'RE ALSO THE ONES THAT SAY, I CAN'T NOT TALK
TO TRUMP VOTERS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHO'S HERE.

AND
THIS SEEMS LIKE A VERY IMPORTANT LEARNING FOR THE
PROGRESSIVE SIDE OF SPECTRUM, TOO. >>> YEAH, >>> I THINK SO. I
THINK THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. JUST BEING WHERE
You are now. AND THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE
UNITED STATES IN TERMS of ITS LONG HISTORY HAS NOW NOT
DONE. AND JUST TALKING AGAIN IN THE BROADEST
NOTES. >>> BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD A
TENDENCY to SAY THAT THERE ARE RED STATES and BLUE
STATES, YOU CAN LIVE A HAPPY LIFETIME AS LONG AS YOU LIKE
GO TO A BLUE STATE ON THE PROGRESSIVE SIIDE AND VICE
VERSA. >>> AND IT IS TRUE, DURING
MOMENTS of POLITICAL REACTION, THERE ARE A
TENDENCY to WITHDRAW, FIND FULFILLMENT in THE
ROMANTIC MOVEMENT, IN INTERIORITY OR BACK TO
THE LAND. I THINK THAT'S A HUMAN IMPULSE. BUT IN
TERMS OF A BETTER POLITICAL CULTURE AND
POLICY OPTIONS: I THINK THAT WAS REALLY CONFRONTING
A STARK KIND. >>> BARBARISM OR
SOCIALISM. >>> BARBARISM OR
SOCIALISM. >>> IS THERE ANY HISTORY
What Happens if we choose the BARBARISM? >>> WELL, THERE'S THE
HISTORY OFF NAZISM, THE HISTORY OFF FASCISM.

I
THINK WE'RE LIVING THROUGH IT. I THINK THAT WE SEE IT IN
BRAZIL: WE SEE IT INSIDE THE PHILIPPINES.
INDIA, WE SEE IT IN COUNTRIES IN EASTERN
EUROPE, WE SEE IT IN ITALY. I THINK WE'RE
SEEING VERY CLEARLY, WE'RE LIVING THROUGH A PERIOD
WHERE PEOPLE HAVE MADE CHOICES. IT'S NOT A CHOICE THAT WE
FACE. MANY HAVE OPTED FOR BARBARISM EARLIER. >>> AND ARE THERE EXAMPLES
THAT YOU CLING TO BEING AT THE BRINK AT THE
BORDER, MAYBE OF THAT CHOICE, AND BACKING UP
DON’T CHOOSE THE SOCIETY FIRST, BUT USE IT! CALL IT
SOCIALISM- >>> WELL, HOPEFULLY THAT'S
WHERE ARE WE IN NATIONAL POLICY, AT THE MOMENT.
THIS IS THE PRIME OF THE SANDERS CAMPAIGN. THAT WE
DO NOT CHOOSE OTHER THAN TO, AS YOU SAID. SPEAK TO THE
TELL TRUMP VOTERS AND TELL THEM THE CHOICES ARE YOURS
WERE PRESENTED TO THEM UNDER OLD LIBERAL
EXHAUSTED ESTABLISHMENT

AND THEY'RE NOT
They were wrong to believe they were dead, but it is true.
HOW WE FACE THE DEBATE. >>> GREG GRANDIN'S BOOK,
THE END of THE MYTH, FROM FRONTIER to THE
BORDER WALL IS OUT IN THE MIND of AMERICA.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING. >>> THANKS. >>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
PLEASURE. >>> IT'S WONDERFUL TO BE
HERE. >>> YOU'RE WATCHING THE
LAURA FLANDERS SHOW. ♪ [THEME MUSIC] ♪.

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